Missing Units

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Kamilow, Apr 22, 2017.


What formations do you miss most in the game?

Poll closed Jul 11, 2017.
  1. Prussian Jägers , Frei-korps ( Prussia)

    2 vote(s)
  2. Ironsides , Royal Horse Guards ( England)

    4 vote(s)
  3. Polish Armored Companion (Pancerni)

    4 vote(s)
  4. Ukrainian Melee Unit

    5 vote(s)
  5. Stradioti , Morlachs (Venice)

    6 vote(s)
  6. Siemenovski Foot Guards , Lifeguard Cossacks (Russia)

    2 vote(s)
  7. Cazadores , Walloon Guards (Spain)

    1 vote(s)
  8. Swedish Imperial Grenadiers ( formed by King Charles XII)

    2 vote(s)
  9. Emperor's Cuirassiers , Hungarian Hussars , Hungarian Grenadiers (Austria)

    3 vote(s)
  10. Chasseurs à Cheval , Mounted Grenadiers ( France)

    2 vote(s)
  1. HUNRex

    HUNRex Member

    Ok buildings provided defense but many people stopped playing it because it was all about sending troops in the buildings and games lasted too long. I think storehouse, mill, town hall, dwellings and blacksmith should have been the same like in Cossacks now. You can capture them if set on, but you cant send defense units there.
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2017
  2. Foeurdr

    Foeurdr Moderator Staff Member

    There isn't a fixed date for the end of the balance process, it will all depend on the plan the developper have for the game as well as the feedback from players.
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  3. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    Thanks Foeurdr good information. Hunrex, That's what American Conquest building defence is so good. Yeah, you're right,the game lasted too long. But invasion stopped all the time. Building defence used to stop an Indian warrior invasion:)) With this last Cossacks 3 patch I'll send 15 soldiers everywhere for fun:)) American Conquest other good feature, the mill was producing cavalry units. I'd like to see that feature in Cossacks 3 game.
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2017
  4. Aistis1990

    Aistis1990 Active Member

    Aq what i really liked for were standard bearers , officiers and 18c proper cavalry espec they had pistols. Damn it was so sexy. Espec when u fight 18c u its. The things i hated there that 1 fire arrow destroys building it starts building for whole time till it explodes. Oh come on... concrete buildings from 1 fire arrow??? It might fail to spread fire so wtf? Also they had just 1 type of infantry 18c. Fusiliers. The things I really miss in cossacks : pistols , standard bearers , more elegance from officiers , 2 weapons for soldiers , musketeers and cavalry. And fortifications...
    Ofc this game could have something invented but It will never become a reality.
    1. Colonel unit - Limited unit 5 per army. Using sword pistol at 300 range and then going on sword. With high attack and defence parameters.
    2. Different officiers for european nation 18c. At least 4 different types.
    3. Veteran experience for formations. At least with 3 levels increasing stats slightly.
    4. Fortifications like rampants which u could build either for slow advance or defending battlefield. (ATM only hills works similar. If u fakl on your attack you rally soldiers somewhere on hill between your and enemy's base) . It could actually become a reality like on cossacks 1 intro...
    Improved towers. Where you could station 15 troops or at least this tower might have smt like additional musket fire to kill off closer ranged units like grenadiers or archers.
    5. Rivers , bridges , variety of landscape , shallow waters where bigger ships couldnt pass by :)
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  5. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    Fire arrow was so funny. They shot arrows and I had to put out with my peasants. That's what a real big problem. An also I couldn't put out castle fire:)) Castle was burning all the time:)) I liked your suggestions, but I think the game need military academy or two academies. First one is dealing with civil upgrades second one is military upgrades and If we make military academy we can enlist lieutenant, captain,major, colonel or other ranks of officers inside this building or barrack. But We can see in the game only one unit called the officer. Which rank he has? And also we can't produce general rank officer in the game. Some of the campaigns gave us. But we can't produce freely. In Cossacks 2 we can see veteran units and veteran units fought well. Fortification types of American Conquest are better than all Cossacks series. We could make two log cabin, castle... We had to change our tactics. Occupying every single house fired our units and We had lost many of our troops:)) Cossacks 3 game also need a new tower like a log cabin. We can occupy this building for 15 or 30 units and then defend our territory.
  6. Aistis1990

    Aistis1990 Active Member

    Thats the case! In cossacks 3 we don't have any tactical diversity in battlefield. Only going forth snd back resulting in one mess big massacre. Even saving ur elite numbers and growing them in numbers might not help you. For example i beated many attack of my enemy and after each his wave of attack i saved more and more 18c dragoons. Untill i had 5 full formations. Then i gone to offensive with pretty strong army and almost all my army was beated up. So even if u save from time to time units that have slow production time it can't guarantee your victory. Same on battlefield. In cossacks 1 i have won many battles against prussia just by defending. You take a hill , secure your flanks. And build labyrinth of wooden pallisades with lots of gaps. So cavalry might not easilly maneuver. If they wanted to raid me they had to destroy pallisades if they try to do that i shoot their units dead. Then when 1200+ hussars comes forth half of them becomes stuck. If they are ordered to move back , or go other side. Just portion of them listens other gets sruck so you kill em pretty fast and they renders useless :) :) :) tried it as well in here you know it works :) :) :) . But about tower and defences imagine. You can dig up some trenches , make actual ramparts to secure your logistic lines that they wont get raided. I even tried once building ballisades along my army marching route. Well it secured flanks from hussars and mc. Sich cossacks. So what I wanted to say that in c3 there could be more ways to make this game nearer to historical realism. And 18c warfare. Lets hope that before c3 project finishes we at least will see sappers , rivers on map with possibility ro build pantoon bridges , blockhouses , ramparts , trenches etc. Or at least pallisade with actual higher ground from choosing side :)
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  7. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    The game needs more unit types. Sapper units or pontonniers, 18th century light infantry(sharpshooter or scout) for some nations or colonial troops for every nation. The game also needs defensive structures; bastion,lunetten,redan or flenche,redoubt types or fort, fortress. Many European armies and some Eastern armies used these types of structures. By the way Yeah, we can't see tactical diversity. I played one of the not good not bad player he used raid tactics and when he failed he got out of the game. I don't like it this situation. I don't understand this type of people. If he won the game He can boast everywhere. But his tactics are getting out of date. Just raiding everywhere. When I defence with musketeers, he run away quickly. If the balance project finishes we can talk about other upgrades. Until then we must just dreaming about units and other good upgrades for Cossacks 3.

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    Last edited: Jun 16, 2017
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  8. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

  9. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    New missing units, Mercenary commander, drummer, flag bearer. The game needs flag bearer but also need mercenary units too. Diplomatic centre units are very irregular units. I accept that we can make formation with our barrack commander, but I think the game needs unique officers, drummers and also flag bearers. Historically,Venice and other state used a lot of different unit types and all of them were mercenary. They were unique uniforms and equipments also They were the best units.

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  10. Aistis1990

    Aistis1990 Active Member

    Well i accept idea that diplo could have a veey good mc units like musketeers with 90hp and 80 shooting power , but their price should be smt like 800 gold. So you wanna make bery good soldiers? Try to afford it :p
  11. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    Aistis, This is just an useful suggestion for missing unit section. Do you see diplomatic centre commander or drummer in the game? According to me Diplomatic units don't look like as an irregular unit and also have a good soldiers and good price. Now they are an ordinary soldier and make no difference just raiding units. Some of the players used-Cossacks and etc.- for that reason alone. Don't kid me please. I've just dreamed it and I've brought this suggestion. If it was up to me, I could separate diplomatic centre units with two centuries. 17th century and 18th century units don't show other centuries inside the diplomatic centre.
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2017
  12. Aistis1990

    Aistis1990 Active Member

    For me good units without upgrade could be used as mercenaries. And there could be 2 types pf Diplo. Eastern mercenaries , German mercenaries :) . For example even soldiers with 80 life 28 bayonet and 30 shooting power would be something. Its just their shooting range could be slightly shorter than ordinary musketeers. And peice could be like 400 gold. And 5.2 sec creation speed. Many ppl will use them then :)
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  13. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    I liked your ideas. Two diplomatic centre is very good. Eastern and German mercenaries and we could add mercenary military engineer and sharpshooter or other units. No we can only use grenadier, mounted dragoon, roundshier, light infantry and archer. But this suggestion will bring more units and more fun.
  14. Kamilow

    Kamilow Well-Known Member

    My updated unit list :

    1. Bedouins Algieria , Turkey
    2. Nizam-I Cedid (infantry and cavalry units) Turkey
    3. Berber Muskeeter - Algieria
    4. Deli Horsmen Turkey
    5. Stradioti Venice
    6. Morlachs Venice
    7. Ironsides England
    8. Chasseurs à Cheval France
    9. Cossack Pikemans Ukraine
    10. Lifeguard Cossacks ( Lancers) Russia
    11. Prussian Jägers Prussia
    12. Cazadores Spain http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Cazadores_(ETW_unit)
    13. Emperor's Cuirassiers Austria
    14. Cossack Infantry Russia
    15. Polish Armored Companion ( Pancerni) Poland
    16. Horse Grenadier Guards England https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_Grenadier_Guards
    17. Swedish Imperial Grenadiers ( formed by King Charles XII) Sweden
    18. Cossaks with Sabres Ukraine
    19. Kalmuks Russia
    20.Sekban Muskeeters Turkey https://www.google.pl/search?q=Sekb...AUICigB&biw=1680&bih=920#imgrc=LCXsYOGdQq1idM:
    21. Ottoman Heavy Infantry Turkey
    22 Balkan light rider Turkey
    23. National Cavalry Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Cavalry
    24. Frei-korps Prussia http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Frei-korps_(ETW_unit)
    25. Venetian Nobles infantry Venice (old type of heavy infantry) http://s23.photobucket.com/user/cegorach/media/bravinoble.jpg.html
    26. Balkan Mercenery Riders (Croatian cavalry in Venetian Service). https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/fa/46/f8/fa46f8213de1ea6be7f6212a22758a2b.jpg
    27. Schiavoni- 18c. Venetian infantry.
    28. Polish Reiter Poland https://www.google.pl/search?q=poli...QsAQILw&biw=1680&bih=920#imgrc=Vop40NDzl8JoaM
    29. Muscovite Reiter Russia https://www.google.pl/search?q=muscovite+reiter&tbm=isch&imgil=eZITDaiZU7KQtM:;rQIEbXGfNyHu0M;http%3A%2F%2Fsteamcommunity.com%2Fsharedfiles%2Ffiledetails%2F%3Fid%253D398901374&source=iu&pf=m&fir=eZITDaiZU7KQtM:,rQIEbXGfNyHu0M,_&usg=__eF8VwhyuEjHykuSshJbW6bnkRIA=&biw=1680&bih=920&ved=0ahUKEwi6r-#imgrc=eZITDaiZU7KQtM:
    30 Lanceros Spain
    31. Mounted Arquebusier (Armored missile cavalry in factions like Spain , England , Sweden , Austria).
    32. Marine Infantry Venice
    33. Schiavoni Venice
    34. Herreruelo Spain https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herreruelo_(soldado_de_caballería)
    35. Lusitanian Dragoons Spain http://www.ferprad.com/images/dragondelusitania9.jpg

    36. Milita Infantry France ( for example using by King Louis XV) https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2e/1a/d4/2e1ad45a1d12144198e604689065ce80.jpg
    37. Milita Cavalry France
    38. London Lobsters England https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_lobsters
    39. Royal Horse Guards England http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Horse_Guards_(British)_(ETW_unit)
    40. Berber Cavalry Algieria ( light cavalry with sabres)
    41. Swedish Melee Dragon https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ae/e3/71/aee37197153e2f14656a98f606f4ad8f.jpg
    42. Finnish Arquebusiers Sweden http://mountandblade.wikia.com/wiki/Finnish_Harquebusier
    43. Desert Horse Archers Algieria
    44. Drabants Cavalry Sweden
    45. Boyar Horse Archers Russia
    46. Hungarian Hussar Austria
    47. Hungarian Grenadier
    48. Swiss Guards France
    49. Blue Guard Netherlands http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Blue_Guard_(ETW_unit)
    50. Hessian Grenadiers England
    51. Guard Grenadiers Poland http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Guard_Grenadiers_(ETW_unit)
    52. Zaporozhian Infantry Ukraine https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/6e/89/7c6e89a3628981ed85b2216be3428aee.jpg

    53. Tufekci Muskeeters Turkey
    54. Desert Horse Archer Algieria
    55. Armenian Archer Turkey http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Armenian_Archers_(ETW_unit)

    56. Tabor ( war wagon) Ukraine https://www.google.pl/search?q=coss...AUICigB&biw=1680&bih=920#imgrc=VD6fkPGBgsK57M
    57. Bosnian Panduk Turkey http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Bosnian_Panduks_(ETW_unit)

    58. Bar Confederation Cavalry Poland https://odyssynlaertesa.files.wordp...wc485-obraz-jc3b3zefa-chec582moc584skiego.jpg
    59. Viborniye Streltsy ( Missile Cavalry) Russia
    60. Greek Infantry Recruits Venice
    61. Camel Nomads ( mounted melee unit) Algieria https://manvshorse.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/empire-camel-melee.png?w=655&h=452
    62. Light Infantry Company England http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2679/4474742857_11cd86acf5.jpg

    63. Russian Horse Grenadiers Russia http://www.frontrank.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/169_large.jpg

    64. Maison du Roi France http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Maison_du_Roi_(ETW_unit)
    65. Coldstream Guards England http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Coldstream_Guards_(ETW_unit)
    66. Genderme de la Garde France https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendarme_de_la_Garde
    67. Moldovan Cavalry Turkey
    68. Wallachian Boyars Turkey http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Wallachian_Boyars_(ETW_unit)
    69. Mounted Cossack Shooter Ukraine
    70. Guardias de Infanteria Spain http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Guardias_de_Infanteria_(ETW_unit)
    71. Siemenovski Foot Guards http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Siemenovski_Foot_Guards_(ETW_unit)
    72. Royal Ecossais France http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Royal_Ecossais_(ETW_unit)
    73. Engineer All Western Nations ( without Scotland) + Poland and Russia.
    74.Waloon Guards Spain http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Walloon_Guards_(ETW_unit)-
    75. Garde de Corp Netherlands http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Garde_de_Corp_(ETW_unit)
    76. Muskovite Horse Archer Russia https://www.google.pl/search?biw=16...4.img..0.0.0.HwqERZAV8qc#imgrc=1fqWOMhpPWi3wM:
    77. Lisowczyk Poland http://www.stisk.pl/sarmackie/jpg/lisowczyk.jpg
    78. Cossack Officer Ukraine ( needed to create a formation).
    79. Cossack Drummer Ukraine
    80. Scottish Reiter Scotland
    81. Scottish Mounted Shooter Scotland
    82. Drabants Sweden http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FNe7EWl9lCU/Tcm1SIM7CTI/AAAAAAAAAVI/X-QZAxdrG6Q/s1600/Drabant.JPG
    83.Garde à Cheval Russia http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Garde_à_Cheval_(ETW_unit)
    84. Peasent Levy ( irregulars , shooters) Algieria
    85. Desert Warriors ( melee ifantry) Algieria
    86. Potsdam Giants Prussia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Giants
    87. Maison du Roi Horse Guards France
    88. Uskoks Austria
    89. Hungarian Grenadier Austria
    90. Hungarian Hussar 18c. Austria
    91. Windbüchse Jaegers 18c. Austria http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Windbüchse_Jaegers_(ETW_unit)

    92. Royal Welch Fusiliers England http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Royal_Welch_Fusiliers_(ETW_unit)
    93. Libyan Kuloglu Turkey http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Libyan_Kuloglu_(ETW_unit)
    94. Irish Brigade France http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...Brigade.png/revision/latest?cb=20130411191044
    95. Guardias de Corps Spain http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Guardias_de_Corps_(ETW_unit)
    96. Snapphanar Dennmark http://orig02.deviantart.net/0ecd/f/2012/235/d/c/snapphanar_by_minnhagen-d5c4fp0.jpg
    97. Coldstream Guards England http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Coldstream_Guards_(ETW_unit)
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2017
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  15. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

  16. Kamilow

    Kamilow Well-Known Member

    Curious - what happened to the planned Dlc with 18. centaury ships?
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  17. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    Kamilow, If you remember Cossacks Back To War, There are 4 or 5 new ships which are called Ketch, cutter, 18th century frigate, Victoria. Maybe developers can add one or two more new ships for all nations.The game also needs a hospital and sanitarian,doctor, etc. Pope, mullah other clergyman's main duty is related to protect the faith. But in this game they are just like doctors:))
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2017
  18. Grubnessul

    Grubnessul Member

    I think quite a lot of units from Back to War are missing. The English New Model Army units, the Swedish 18th century dragoons and a host of others...
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  19. Kamilow

    Kamilow Well-Known Member

    Dlc with units is very much needed. Especially for England, Algieria , Russia, Venice, Ukraine, France.
  20. Kamilow

    Kamilow Well-Known Member

    I think that Ukraine should have infantry officer. He would need it to make formations.

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