Holodomor 1932-1933 http://memorialholodomors.org.ua/en/main/44 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor it and WW2 fre the saddest moments of Ukrainian history
This thread is now so sad So as to lighten it, here something I found sometimes ago on youtube, I was searching cossacks songs and found this totaly by luck, I found it funny. (I now have a good number of ukrainian and russian songs but can't distinguish between the two of them !)
I understand that there were victims, nobody deserves that faith. But I just cannot understand why basically all southern-west part of those times USSR (including mainly Ukraine, but not only) was starving to death... Was it more a result of the collapse of the whole USSR economy and then centralized decisions that it is better to take food (if any left) from lands inhabited more by non-Russian minorities etc...? And by the way... what is this? And how come that Ukrainian language was spoken in Rostov (Kuban)? Was there any emigration etc? Wishes Hippo
This happened after the destruction of Zaporozhye Sech https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Cossack_Host https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danubian_Sich
Yes, Ukrainians starved to death many, many times, even in 17-18th century. You could read something what happened during and after Khmelnytsky uprising. Ukraine was ruined, heavily looted, many peasants were slavered by Tatars at that times. Various armies crossed and grabed this country in late 17th and almost all 18th centuries. Many cereals plans were abandoned and animals were killed or captured by various troops and reasons. Food production droped down and agriculture needed time to recover after long wars times. Therefore there were lot of hunger and starvation and many victims of that bloody times.
where did you read about that? how do you know about what happened there? maybe you live at that times?
In analogy we can ask you about holodomor... This is not a way of discussion. BTW this reminds me quite strong revisionist movements in nowadays Russia, like Anatoly Fomenko, who in fact is of Ukrainian origin.
grandmother tolds me how it was in east-south of Ukraine and how died her willege neighbours don`t anger me with these, its continue hurts this is ukrainian once, you can distinguish the ukrainian cossacks with red or blue wide trousers "sharovaru" and wite shirt with purl here for your collection Spoiler: Ukrainian cossacks songs
Ok, then why this what Nowy writes is sentenced by you to be suspicious? You know your version from older Family members, maybe he also knows it from Family stories, or memories written down in the dairies, books and transferred from generation to generation?
... and these are the words of a descendant of brave cossacks warriors... It is nothing to flash around with any of national agonies and pains from the past. Frankly speaking there is nothing to flash around and be proud of that your ancestors were screwed in this or that way.
Frankly speaking, there is nothing to flash around that polishes were strong europians all the time and was not screwed by germans and russians
... no comment here Guys.... It is like kids in the sandbox boasting about this who is giving bigger feces...
I know this facts from historical books and simple logic. There were lot of victims at that times. Hunger and starvation was one from many causes of death or refuges. Starvation was not only Ukrainian problem at that period. Read something about thirty year war or deluge or other cases which happened at that times.
Thanks Condor_fly for the songs, I already knew most but you gave me some version I didn't have Well I can basically distinguish visualy between ukrainian cossacks and russian but I was speaking more of the language, they sound so similar to me !
I like you enjoy them about language let my give you one advice: if you want to recognize the ukraine language listen it like a music if it sounds like a smooth river without roughnasses or like the fast birds songs - here is ukrainian speech
